Give us a minimus shoe in a 4E width. Until then the rest is all white noise.

@bet262, don't know you or your foot, but it is possible that all you need to do is go up in size. many shoes, NB, Nike, etc...run short and to get a proper fit you need to go up in size. I find a lot of people that think they need a NB 4E shoe, when all they really need to do is go up in length. This is especially true in a minimal shoe. You don't want the shoe to be tight. You want it loose enough to allow your foot to move naturally, and your toes to splay. these statements are based on 65 years of fitting footwear in family shoe store.

@tedsboots, possibly people are mis-sized, but i'm another vote for 4E as someone who's used a braddock device to measure my size.

@franklin, yeah i'm sure there are plenty of people that could use a 4E. i was just suggesting to check your size, and then get a proper fit, especially with minimal shoes you need plenty of toe room.

most people aren't mis-sized, it is that most places you can't even get measured, and people assume they are always the same size, that their feet never change even as they get older. plus even if every one got measured, and knew that different shoes fit differently, most places do no know the proper fit.

it's what my family shoe store likes to call arch fit. basically you fit the wider part of the foot (near your ball of your foot) in the wider part of the shoe. that way all your body weight is supported proper.

in a minimal shoe your body isn't being supported. but you still don't want to cram your toes into the end of the toe box. you want plenty of room for proper toe splay.

@tedsboots - no disagreements

in other news, per customer service, they'll make the zero in 4E.
Response Via Email (Cam B.) 08/05/2011 01:13 PM
Dear Franklin,

Thank you for contacting New Balance Consumer Support!

We currently have no minimus style in a width wider than a 2E. I do, however, see that our zero-drop minimus, the MT00 and MR00, which are coming in the spring of 2012 will be offered in a 4E width.

That shoe will be available at www.ShopNewBalance.com and if you wanted to see it in person, you could email us around March with you zip code and we could help locate a retailer in your area that may have it available.

Please let us know if you have any additional questions or concerns by email or at 1-800-622-1218.

Sincerely,

Cam
New Balance Consumer Response Team

I need some advice from this forum. I am entering a race that will take place Nov. 19. The race is called the Tough Mudder. It is a nationally recognized race that takes place throughout the country. I need to know what shoe would be best for me. The people at NB can't give me great advice.

The race is on land, water, and mud (up to 3 ft. deep) with semi rough terrain in spots. I have narrowed it down to the MT101, but am wondering if the 720 water shoe would be sufficient. The race is 13 miles long with obstacles at every mile marker. If the 101 can dry up reasonably well then that might be my shoe. If not, my feet could hate me the next day.

Any advice or experienced mudders out there?

@Johnny1Time, i'm not a mudder, but i would definitely tell you to stay away from the Minimus, because you really need to easy into that, and it may do more harm than good. That would be any of the MT10, MT20, etc...

As for the MT101 or 720 water shoe, the MT101 would be better for running, actually pretty great. But I can't say for sure how well it would dry (may not be real fast). It might even retain some of the water in the upper material. I suppose the 720 wouldn't be a bad shoe to run in. You might want to try and find somewhere to try these on first.

Sorry I couldn't be of more help. If I were you I wouldn't limit myself to only NB shoes. Try other companies. As to not cause any problems I won't mention any specific brands. But if a NB doesn't work I'm sure there are many other options.

Good Luck!

Are the Minimus shoes made in the USA? What NB running shoes are completely made in the usa?

Thank you

@maryobeora, Minimus is not made in the USA. There are many NB made in the USA.

Here is the NB link to find shoes made in the USA and shoes assembled in the USA.

If you are concerned about quality only, many of the none USA NB are very very good, and just as good as the made in the USA NB.

If you want to support products made by US workers in USA, then unfortunately Minimus, and almost all minimal footwear out there is made in non-USA.

Sorry, forgot the link

http://www.shopnewbalance.com/information/madeinusa.asp

Katherine,
Can you tell us how the zero drop compares to the MT20? (i.e., is the weight of the MT20 the same as MT10?)

For some reason the weight isn't listed at:
http://www.shopnewbalance.com/newbalanceMT20BG.htm

And this:
http://www.shopnewbalance.com/newbalanceMT10BO.htm
indicates 7.1 ounces for the MT10 not 7.5 as is stated above.

Thanks.

How about a narrow shoe? I would settle for a B... I know I am on the wrong side of the width scale but I like the general feel of these shoes - just nothing in my width...

@Galaxie, I could understand in a regular shoe, or NB sneaker how you would want to have a B width if you have narrow feet. But minimal shoes are not supposed to fit like normal shoes.

The ideal fit it to have room all around the foot, room in the toes, room between the side of the foot and shoe.

I would suspect a D width would be fine for you. I assume you are looking for a Mens B width shoe. The Mens come in D and 2E (maybe 4E). The Womens come in B, and D width.

You could try going up in size to a Womens D width, as that would run more narrow than a Mens D width. I wouldn't suggest a Womens B width.

But again, minimal shoes are not supposed to be tight. They should have space for your foot and toes to splay out.

My family has been fitting footwear (including NB) for 65 years. I can't imagine that your foot is so narrow that a Mens D Minimus leave too much room. I consider the Minimus more form fitting than a regular NB shoe b/c of the material they use and shape.

I would also request 4E and longer sizes. I recently tried the MT10's in 13:2E and they were small on both counts.

I just got a pair the other day and have been curious, should i be wearing them with socks or not? i have tried both and i am not sure which to go with.

I like the look of the NB Minimus20 and Minimus Trail shoes. But I am not sure it is the right shoe for me, I appreciate your advice.
I don't need a shoes to run but for my daily walk as an exercise - about 4 miles - I have Parkinson disease, and also problems with several toes. So I need a shoes with support, flexible , with minimal pressure points, lighweight.
THANK YOU

I'm looking to purchase the something from the Minimus line but I need to know if they are made with latex, as for I have an allergy to latex

@spoon22, you can wear them with socks, but the best way is without socks. As the less between your foot and the ground gives better ground feel, and allows your foot to behave as close to barefoot as possible. the shoes will most likely stink really bad with no socks though. i would suggest finding a shoe spray that acts against the bacteria and neutralizes the odor. i wouldn't use a powder. a friend of mine washes his in the washing machine from time to time. i have a really great shoe spray, by TOMS2 or something like that.

@CDR, what are your problems with your toes? First and fore most with any footwear I recommend getting measured and FITTED properly. Also you mentioned you needed "support" and flexible/lightweight. Traditional "support" does not combine well with lightweight and flexible. Traditional "support" requires a stiff base structure as to not allow pronation. That could be the best choice for you, as I do not know your foot. However if you did want to go with the NB Minimus because of it's natural fit, ultra lightweight and flexibility it is a great choice.

Because of your issues with toes, etc...I would recommend easing into NB Minimus. Only use the shoes for 1/2 mile to 1 mile walking at first. You have to build up the strength in your feet/ankles/calves. When you wear NB Minimus even for walking, you use muscles in your feet you have not used in many years. If you wear NB Minimus exclusively, especially for long periods of time/distance or do vigorous activities like running/sports you could really injure yourself.

@BuffaloLax22, not sure if there is latex in NB Minimus. A NB employee will have to answer this question.

Problems with my toes are not easy to explain, it's a malformation, some toes raise above each other, one nail is raised up a lot because of thick skin under nail, anyway compression in the toes box is uncomfortable.
I say I need support because with Parkinson disease one has a tendency to loose balance, to twist ankle, to fall, also for the dame reason I think flexibility and lightweight would help, but I am not sure! Would be interested to know what PD patients wear!
I don't like the look of shoes with heavy sole, that's why I am looking at the minimus, but I have not tried it on yet!
Thank you for all the help and suggestions, I am going to start shopping!

@CDR, that is the best thing I can suggest, to try them on and see if you like them. Like I said it is a real work out for your feet, so be careful.

I would suggest getting something like NB lightweight series, MR890 maybe. Light weight and more fleixble than traditional walking NB. You could also try the MT101.

Also, if you are just walking there are many good shoe companies out there that make lightweight dress/casual shoes that would be perfect for what you describe. Not sure if I can suggest another company on this forum. But try getting measured and fit to a Clark's Unstructured shoe. Perhaps the Un.Ravel would work well for you. Lightweight, roomy toe box. Very good for walking.

If you live near Western Massachusetts, stop in to Ted's Boot Shop in Northampton.

Thank you all for your comments and great conversations relating to this article. I want to especially thank @tedsboots for all your insight and help in recommending product and providing information to other community members!

@Johnny1Time - I hope your training is going well! I have heard great things about the Tough Mudder event and I think that the 101s would work out fine for the race; the synthetic/mesh upper on them will make them breathable and will air-dry overnight. I'm happy to chat about other options if you would like.

@ Buffalolax22 - I am going to reach out to our developers to find out if any of our Minimus have Latex; was there a particular one you are more interested in? Trail, Road, the 10 or 20? Any additional information you have will be helpful in making sure it doesn't contain Latex.

@BrianS - The main differences, as Katherine explained in the article, between the Zero and MT20&MT10 will be the weight, stack height and the heel-to-toe drop. The MT20 weighs 6.5 oz and the MT10 weighs 7.5 ( I apologize the sites are showing different #'s and I will have that corrected to be reflected properly)

We hear you guys on the interests in widths, and as Cam from our Customer Service team explained, 4E widths will be coming out in Spring 2012 so stay tuned for that! I also want to further emphasize as @Tedsboots has so kindly done, the importance of being properly fitted prior to purchasing, as there are so many factors that will go into the perfect fit. If you need any additional help, please reach out to me or you can email/call our customer service directly at customerhelp@newbalance.com or 800-253-7463.

Thanks again for reaching out with these questions and great feedback!
Maureen

I can hardly wait. the current minimus are the most comfortable I've ever worn. even the road shoe is a welcomed change. but the zero could make me buy new shoes all over again.....

hen will women's New Balance 20 Trail Running be availabe in stores in stores?

Hello @MMM; The women's NB Minimus Trail 20's are available in stores now. If you visit our Facebook page you can find local stores in your area based off your zip code; http://www.facebook.com/Newbalance?sk=app_169378679797946 or you can visit out store locater here; http://www.newbalance.com/shop/

If you need any additional help, please let me know.


Thanks,
Maureen

Make the next generation Minimus machine washable. The current Minimus shoes are marketed to be comfortable with or without socks. Feet after a workout sweat, some people sweat alot. With nothing in between the shoe and our feet, where does all that funk go? I do not currently wear socks two workouts in a row without washing, nor any other article of clothing that contacts my body. Also, feet on a trail run through dirt, and mud and.... other stuff sometimes. There has to be a better way to clean the shoes other than simply soaking in water, as instructed by your online support staff.

Make the next generation Minimus machine washable. The current Minimus shoes are marketed to be comfortable with or without socks. Feet after a workout sweat, some people sweat alot. With nothing in between the shoe and our feet, where does all that funk go? I do not currently wear socks two workouts in a row without washing, nor any other article of clothing that contacts my body. Also, feet on a trail run through dirt, and mud and.... other stuff sometimes. There has to be a better way to clean the shoes other than simply soaking in water, as instructed by your online support staff.

@Janne1720, I have not tried to wash my NB Minimus, but my friend who has the same pair of MT20s washes his on a regular basis to get the funk out. He uses detergent, and says it works pretty well. The fresh smell lasts only another few days to a week he said though. My best suggestion would be to find some really good spray that kills bacteria and gets the smell out. I use a spray called 2TOMS stink free spray. http://www.2toms.com/stink-free. I mentioned this in an earlier post when someone asked about socks/no socks. I suppose your other option would be to use an unscented anti bacterial soap, just a tiny bit and wash by hand. Or try using some anti bacterial hand sanitizer. Not sure if that is safe or will work though. You are better off using 2TOMS spray.

It would be nice if the new minimus running shoes had one on the design of the "Life" shoe. no strings to tie just a slip on that is super duper light weight. I have been wearing my "Life" shoes to run in for Triathlons and any other short run because they are easy on easy off and crazy, lazy lightweight!!!

To clean my Minimus shoes I soak them in a bucket of warm water and generic Scope mouthwash. it works and keeps them funk free for a while. like they say scope kills the germs that cause..........

Maureen Demer NewBalance.com Staff,

I called the two stores and they do not have the women's New Balance 20 Trail Running they only have the New Balance 20 Cross-Training. Any idea when they will Trail Running New Balance 20 will arrive to the 85716 zip

@MMM, I checked NB website and it lists 16 stores within 5 miles of 85716. Obviously not all them will carry NB Minimus. I would suggest calling all the stores in your area until you find one that has it.

The area I live in is much smaller than Tuscon and we have 1 store that carries NB Minimus. You should be able to find 1 store in your area that carries, just keep calling those stores.

It's not up to NB to say who carries Minimus and who doesn't, it is the choice of the individual retailer.

@MMM, this place near you states that carry some Minimus.

http://runningshopaz.com/products/shoes/

It looks like they only have the WT10, and not WT20. But there isn't a huge difference between the 2 shoes. If anything I believe the WT10 maybe fit wider in the toe box. Which is better for minimal footwear.

They both have 4mm drop. The Minimus Zero will be different in that it has no drop.

Whatever style you get (WT10/20) I suggest getting 1/2 to 1 size bigger than you measure for best fit.

Has anyone tried minimus trainers for zumba?

@Bobross, don't really know anything about zumba, something to do with dance? Regardless, I would tell you to ease into wearing a minimal shoe for physical activity. That is assuming you are coming out of regular shoes/sneakers. If you often do zumba barefoot, you might be able to last longer with minimus. My suggestion would be, if you are doing zumba in a classroom/gym/studio, you might as well just do it barefoot as there should be nothing on the ground to hurt your feet. Just ease into it as you do not want to do too much too soon.

I would love to run in the Minimus one day but I do know that there would be some transitioning involoved. I have very minimal expreience with BF shoes and run almost all my runs in traditional shoes. What shoe do you recommend to start out with before I could start training with the Minimus?
Just a little background...
This summer, I bought a pair of BF shoes and ran 3 miles a week in them. The rest of my training was in traditional running shoes. The week that I ran 2 days (3 miles each) with the BF shoes, I ended up with a stress fracture of the 4th metatarsal. I am just returning back to running slow and low milage.
Just need to know the proper shoe for transitioning into minimal/ BF running with no injury.

Also doing the Tough Mudder in November. I currently run in Nike Free's although I am not much of a runner. How do the NB Minimus series compare with the Nike Free's I am running in now. Would that be too much of a transition for the 10 weeks we have before the event. Did a mud race with my past pair of Nike Free's and the shoes came off in the thick mud. Might be because they are a bit old. Have a new pair, but concerned about having this same issue with a much longer race this time around.

Any comments are appreciated.

@Michele67, I would recommend not running in BF shoes until you build up proper strength in your feet. I suggest using BF shoes multiple times a week to walk in as exercise, and wear them at work and/or home. You could also try some light sprints in BF shoes or barefoot on a soft grassy surface (or equivalent). It took me at least a month of wearing NB Minimus casual and on walks before I would consider running in them. Even then I still would take it easy when running. Also very important to use proper form when walking or running. I know it sounds silly, proper walking form. But we are so accustomed to heal striking when walking in normal shoes.

@bbrady, I don't have any experience with Nike Free, but the Minimus is a bit more minimal if I recall correctly. (I could be wrong). Either way try a pair of NB on to see the difference (if any). I couldn't find the measures of the sole on Nike Free.

Really liked the minimus road. No problems with heel movement while running, and plenty of room in the toebox. Please keep the number of sets of shoelace holes to 6 for the road zeroes. While the photos that have been posted on the internet may not be the actual and/or final product, I noticed it appears to have only 4 sets. I'm hoping NB sticks to the original 6, and there should be no heel movement concerns for me. Keep up the good work with the running shoes!

Does NB make the same recommendations for going to the Minimus walker... ie start by doing 10-20% of your walking in a Minimus and gradually increase that amount?

@BBrady & Johnny1Time
I ran a Super Spartan (Similar to a ToughMudder) wearing my minimus trails. Except for sand and gravel getting into my shoe they worked great (Which would have occured regardless of what I was wearing). I will be wearing a new pair for the ToughMudder VA in October. Best of luck to you on the run. Work into the shoe and then wear them for the race without socks. No water logging.

C.

How does the durability of the Minimus line compare to other NB running shoes?

That is a good question. What is the recommended mileage to replace the Minimus since there is no padding to compress or break down?

C.

Bravo, NB! Can't wait until March. I tried the Merrill Glove (women's trail shoe), but after about 100 miles (8-9 runs) on trails, it became apparent that the toe box was too small. Of course, I'd been running in the Vibram FF Sprint for about 6 months and have wide feet anyway. But I needed more rock protection, and V-FF didn't have a trail shoe out yet. So next I tried the NB WT10--and love the feel, the roomy toe box, and the forefoot plate. But the 4mm drop completely threw off my mechanics, and I started having hip and knee pain--so back to REI they went. Now I'm running in the V-FF Bikila--and love them: great rock protection and a lot of room for the toes to spread; however, on long trail runs, I've been wanting just a teeny bit more shoe--but NO HEEL DROP! Thank you, NB, for working on the WT00. I'm looking forward to trying it--wish I didn't have to wait until March! I hope you consider offering a "wide," too.

I can't believe you are making us wait until January to see the new Minimus Trail/road, and the new MT110. Do you realize what kind of torture that is to those of us that have been waiting for these new shoes to come out (especially the 110). Thank you for having the guts to listen to runners like Anton K. and not engineers sitting in a lab. Until January I'll have to settle for the little sneak peaks I get in magazines, Youtube, and runners blogs. The 110 (along with the new minimus line) could just make you company the front runner (no pun intended) as far as running shoe companies are concerned. Believe me I've owned a lot of shoes (just ask my wife who complains daily) and you guys have just about reached perfection. Keep the good work up, and thank you for putting it all out there.

I do alot of hiking in new jersey and have been looking for a good light weight hiking shoe of a while now. Is this a good hiking shoe or is it mainly just for trail running?

Hi, I have been a user of NB shoes for years, pretty exclusively. I can order a 6 2E in any of your women's styles and know they will fit.

I have recently been using more minimalist styles, and really like the effects on my walking and running.

I am hoping that you will make your MINIMUS ZERO in wider widths so I can get a pair.....I don't know about anyone else, but for me, a size LONGER does NOT translate into a WIDER shoe..I need that extra width provided by 2E.

Thank you.

Sincerely,
Soleil

I have been running for over 6 months in NB Minimus shoes. I started with the MR10, which I run in while wearing wool socks and it is a great road shoe. It tends to start smelling very quickly and I usually just clean with dish detergent and warm water. Unfortunately, that only lasts so long.

This summer (late June) I bought a pair of MT10 (the trail shoe). They are great for running, even on the road. But, they are bad for the beach - too many problems with sand collection. And if you run in the surf at all, forget it. They gain a few pounds and you will hurt your feet (sand again).

The trail shoes are good for easy ground, but if you run on dry river beds, be careful. They don't provide a lot of support, so gravel can be a problem. A shoe with more in the sole would be a better fit.

The MT10 (trail) is much better about not smelling as bad. I have never worn socks while running in them and they don't stink like the MR10.

I am looking forward to the new zero drop shoe and can't wait to see how they work! I do wish the Minimus was made in the USA - I don't understand why this product can't be manufactured here. I've been told there are issues with physics plant capability, but I don't know what that means.

I have the MT 10s. I ended up getting them in Men's (I'm female) because the women's were too narrow. Great shoes. Used them for the Dirty Dash 10k recently and they worked great. Can't wait for the release of the zero trails!

Please consider making an all BLACK minimal shoe without a giant N LOGO. I would love a minimalist confortable WORK shoe for business casual dress - something like the Merrell Tough Glove.
While NB shoes are the best fit and design, sadly they often look like clown shoes with bright neon colors. Seriously, why limit your market so much? The market for good work shoes is wide open, with heavy uncomfortable leather shoes as the only decent option.
Thank you for listening.
James

I like the new line of Minimus 20 style. I've been looking for new running shoes, but noticed these say trail running. Are they OK for the treadmill and outdoors in the park as well?

Recently, I started training for my 1st marathon. And being I've found I run better "barefoot," I went to Sports Basement in San Francisco and asked about a minimal type running shoe ... I wondered if such a thing really existed.

After speaking with the sales person, I was directed to the New Balance Minimus.

For the past 8 weeks, I have been running with this shoe . . . my feet & ankle joints have strengthen. And now I have a firm foundation on which to build my marathon training. I LOVE THE SHOE!

Check out my training in YOUR SHOE! - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zENjmcQdcM4

Any chance you could get a pair of the 2E width to me in the UK? NB UK don't sell them (and no plans to next year) and I can't even order to the UK on the international website!

Any chance a Minimus with a gore-tex liner or something comparable is in the works, some of us enjoy running year round but don't live in places where our feet stay dry without waterproofing.

Any chance the zero will do away with the d*** metatarsal band? I have the WT10, and that's the only thing I don't like about it. Wait--I also don't like the stiff heel counter that's high and digs into the Achilles. But back to the forefoot: What's the rational behind the metatarsal band? --it seriously reduces the flexibility of the forefoot. And I thought that for barefoot-ish running, stretch and wiggle room in the forefoot would be a good thing; so why diminish it with a non-stretchy band? I got the D width, and it's still troublesome. Regarding the heel counter, one of the things I love about the VFF trail shoe is the soft, velvety heel cup; NB could take a lesson there. Once the Minimus comes out in a zero, it will be an awesome shoe--and fixes the band and the heel cup. Thanks, NB, for listening!

@Schnupp, you shouldn't have any problem with the metatarsal band, after the initial break-in period (depends on how often you wear them). It is possible that you are in the incorrect size. I've noticed a lot of people that get the minimus get them too short, just as they would their normal running shoes from new balance (or any other manufacturer, like nike, adidas, saucony, etc...). Most athletic shoes run a 1/2 to 1 whole size short. I measure an 11, but took a 12 in the NB Minimus MT20. As for the heel counter. I think it must be personal preference or how tough your feet are, because I've never had any discomfort even with no socks on. In fact, I think they are much more comfortable than Merrill Trail Glove, and just as comfortable as VFFs. If you are having trouble with the metatarsal band, potentially because the size is too small, then perhaps that is why the heal counter bothers you as well.

@BreckDave, NB is makes a "winter" version of the MT20. It is called the MO10. It is waterproof and has thicker upper. http://www.shopnewbalance.com/men/shoes/outdoor/multi-sport/MO10BK

@Schnupp, just remembered, NB changed the MT20, to this http://www.shopnewbalance.com/men/shoes/running/trail-running/MT20BG.

That is the 2nd version of the MT20, the metatarsal band seems changed, or taken out, though there is that piece of material that goes across the top. Perhaps the heel is different too.

Again, I suggest getting measured and trying a whole size bigger than what you measure.

"Barefoot" shoes should have ample room in the toe box and sides of the shoe. It shouldn't fit like a glove. You want your foot and toes to splay out and be free.

Cramming your toes into a minimal shoe is not different than cramming your toes into a normal shoe, with or without mesh/soft uppers.

I've put approx. 400 miles on the Minimus Trail and love them. They are great for getting a primal and agile feel of running through the woods/mountains. They passed the test of training and rocked in a recent 50K, not to mention a conversation starter. Toe box gives plenty of space for your toes, while the rest of the shoe allows a snug fit so you're not sliding around. I only wear socks on the long runs, and haven't had issues with blisters.

The rougher trails can beat up your feet, but to me it's worth the feeling of running with the trail as opposed to on it. They are wearing down, but that is inevitable. Should be a perfect transition to the Minimus Trail Zero, especially looking forward to zero drop and less weight (already ridiculously awesome).

Only suggestion ya'll haven't mentioned... PLEASE give us a white option; won't burn feet as easily on a sunny day... but really so we can show off all the "debris" we collect on the trails!

-Tom

The MT10's are the best running shoes I've ever had. I was plagued with shin splints and stress fractures until I tried these.

Pros: weight, (they don't need to be any lighter) Feel, (can feel your feet working) Stride correction (forces shorter stride)

Cons: Protection, ( thin enough to cause a little pain if you step on a sharp rock, so you constantly have to watch the ground)

Therefore: I would be reluctant to try a trail shoe with less protection. The shoes don't weigh anything as it is. I bought the MT101's and sent them back, because the rock stop takes away the flexibility.

If you guys are going to change anything, make them more durable. A $100+ shoe should last for years. Mine are still new-ish, but I know they wont last near as long as a regular shoe. There is no reason to take out more padding on a trail shoe, we are running long distances in dirt. If people can't handle the 7 oz, tell them to run in socks.

@MountainMan, a $100+ shoe sholdn't last years. Even a traditional running shoe or even walking or dress shoe do not last years if you wear them everyday or beat on them by running on trails. Commonly people just wear there shoes too long until they do damage too their feet. So that is why they think their shoes last "years". In reality most shoes will only last you 2 years tops before the support features break down (a traditional shoe). But in a minimal shoe there is no support because it is not needed, therefore the only thing that should force you to replace a minimal shoe is if the soles have a hole in them.

The minimal shoes unfortunately will wear fast because the soles are so thin, not only for the minimal aspect, but for flexibility. They would have to come up with some super material for it to not wear as fast.

Try buying a few different pairs of minimal shoes (NB or other companies) and rotate them so that don't wear out as fast . You could also try a more aggressive sole.

I have 5 Fingers right now but don't run in them. I want the Minimus to try out. I think running in them may be good on pavement or for races only. It looks like a super cool shoe...

I'm a big fan of a zero drop, a high instep, and an even bigger fan of 2E and 4E widths. Thanks.

I just had a quick question - bought myself a pair of these tonight - have been hearing so much about them - and just realized I purchased the trail model....I am not a trail runner but a road runner....would these be okay or should I exchange them for the road model?

kcpnut: I have both of the current model of the Minimus trail and road shoe. The road shoe definitely provides more protection.

I just saw both of the new zero drop shoes at a race on Sunday and I would say if you like a really light shoe, the trail might be ok. But if you need some protection and run long, I would trade back for the road shoe.

I will run practice in my trail shoes, but for the half marathon I did Sunday, the trail shoes would not have been good. My legs and feet are not ready for that yet.

Ultimately, what you run in depends on you. If you aren't used to barefoot running and very minimal shoes, the new trail shoe might not be a good fit yet.

Thanks tdemers - I am a relatively new runner (13 months) and have had nothing but injuries - my orthopedist has recommended I transition over to "barefoot/minimalist" running. I know I will have to transition slowly (I've actually been out of running 5 weeks now with sesamoiditis) I've suffered from horrible shin splints, tarsal tunnel syndrome and FAI (femoral acetabular impingement) and had to defer my first marathon in May - I ran a half in September and seemed okay but began getting terrible pain in my foot - back to the ortho I went - and yet another diagnosis... he feels that my best bet is to let my feet do the work and suggested I try the barefoot running - after this injury is better - if that ever friggen happens.... online the road shoe looks like it's a bit "more" shoe - and I think I want to try the least amount of shoe....but the "trail" title threw me off - I am not a trail runner - I run on the roads only - so before using them - and being unable to return them - I wanted to make sure I had the "right" ones. Also, should they fit really snug - or feel as though you have room all round? I had a very thin sock on tonight when I tried them on - they felt good - would probably wear them with a sock..my Mizuno's I wear now are a 6 and these I bought tonight were a 6.5....so many questions....hmmm.

I have similar problems as "Schnupp" above (Oct 27). I bought the MT10 last week. Mine are a D width and I found on a longer hike yesterday that the metatarsal band was hurting my right foot. I now see that the MT10 also comes in a 2E width. My store only carries the D. I'm tempted to do the same surgery Pete Larson did over at runblogger.com (Google: larson minimus surgery). I also don't like the high heel counter. It bashes my Achilles tendons and is an unnecessary leftover from running shoes IMHO. Otherwise, I liked the MT10 on the trails. I'm looking forward to the MT00.

I don't understand all these shoe manufacturers. There is a big demand for 4E size shoes and it is difficult to find one.

The photo of the Zero shows the shoe going through water, but the shoe looks like it is anything but water resistant. I'm a VFF flow runner who likes the neoprene protection for water, wind and snow, but am interested in the Zero trail for a more stone/acorn proof sole an a more comfortable foot bed (the VFF "fingers' squeeze the toes a bit).

If the Zero is not an all weather minimalist shoe, is there an alternative?

I don't plan on ever buying a pair of shoes again with high heels - I'm very happy I will be able to buy shoes from you starting in March 2012.

I'm a total FiveFinger runner for trails and roads, true barefoot every now and then when I'm feeling brave. But I have to admit I'm looking forward to giving the Minimus a go on trails. The individualized toe compartments, while quite comfy in my opinion, have some issues with woodland debris. I had such high hopes for the Merrel Trail Glove, but again, foot width issues. That NB is offering a 4E is exciting.

There have been a number of posts on sizing, here are my two bits. Sizing is important, but if what you want is simulacrum of true barefoot running, there are a few things to consider. Your toes cannot be touching both walls of the shoe. If your big and baby toes are touching fabric, they are being constrained and will not splay properly. In other words, there needs to be room in the toe box. The rest of the shoe NEEDS to fit snugly, not just well.

A minimalist shoe cannot be loose, otherwise it becomes ungainly and the wearer becomes aware they are wearing a shoe. This defeats the point. This is the primary reason I don't believe simply going a size up is really an option. If the arch, non-existent as it might be, is even slightly in the wrong place, if the heel isn't snugly locked into the back of the shoe, the whole idea behind a minimalist shoe fails. In the case of the Minimus, the laces should not be doing anything but minimally snugging the upper part of the shoe to the foot.

Please make 4e wide!

I love the new balance shoe. I'm currently running in the 1400's. Best shoe i've tried. I have a few questions. I'm considering the switch to a minimalist shoe. I supinate (roll out), and am hoping the switch will give me a more natural form. I know i have to ease into it, what shoe would be best for that? I have 2 marathons coming up in 2012. Is a minimalist shoe suited for that, assuming i'm accustomed to them, of course. They're road races.
Thank you for any advice.
And i love the fact that new balances are made in America. Keep up the good work!

There seem to be a lot of people asking for Minimus in a 4E width. I fall heavily into this group. I unfortunately have heard that only the trail version is going to be offered in a 4E width. I hope this is false and both the road and trail version will be offered in 4E. I am starting to get very frustrated with NB. My wide foot used to be treated quite well by the shoes they produced. Now every lightweight, neutral or minimal trainer they are producing is not offered in a 4E. Sorry if I want something other than the 880's to run in. Very discouraging!

I've been trying out the MT20 winter run. So far, I really like it, and appreciate the weather proof concept. Coming from a VFF, I do wish the sole were more flexible, matching my foot and toe movements. Gotta be able to do that without going totally the VFF way, no? Also, would prefer a zero drop, which is coming in March, and hoping it will come in the winter run version as well.

Finally, how come all the minimalist shoes cost as much as regular running shoes, when they use less material?

@Bet262, there is no reason you could not use the MT10 or 20 when running on the road. As long as you build up your foot/ankle strength before going minimal. Also, don't go by numbers and letters. People always assume they need a 4E width in everything if they have a wider foot. The best way to know is to go to a store and try on multiple sizes and get expert help with the correct fit. There are also many other options for minimal footwear besides NB.

@minimalist, i have used the VFF, Stem, and NB Minimus a lot, I don't think the Winterrun sole is any less flexible. I think it seems that way because the Winterrun upper is slightly more stiff than the mess/fabric/spandex that the other shoes use. Hopefully with some break in the Winterrun should become more flexible. Let us know how it turns out.

@tedsboots, trust me. I have flipper wide feet. It just makes little to no sense that you're going to make a trail version, but not the road version in a 4E. Along with the 890 and the 1400. The list just goes on and on...........

i don't doubt you have wide feet. i would still recommend getting measured and trying on different sizes in the store. it is possible you could get a 2E in larger size it would fit you properly. have you tried on any minimal shoes yet, NB or others? i also recommend looking at the trail for road use. i am not sure why NB made a "road" version. if you build up your strength in your feet/ankles/etc.. properly there is no reason you would need 2 different shoes for trail and road. unless you wanted a much bigger tread, but than you wouldn't choose NB MT10/20 for trail, you would choose something like an Altera or Terra Plana that has way more tread than a NB MT.

I have tried on numerous minimal shoes. Mostly to no avail. I currently run/wear casually Altra Instincts. They seem to be the widest I have been able to find with their unique foot shape. I still have a significant amount of my foot hanging off the side. Most specialty running shops have only had D width Minimus in stock and I haven't had the chance to try on a 2E. It seems silly to me to wear a shoe that is longer in length than I need just to acquire the correct width.

try to see if you can find some Stems. i don't think that have widths. but they seem to run on the full side. plus the material is very soft/flexible and seems to expand to accommodate even wider feet.

i did mean to wear a 2E width shoe that was way longer than you need. but almost all NB run a 1/2 to 1 whole size short. and your toes should not be touching the end, especially in a minimal shoe. that is why i suggested trying a 1/2 up in the 2E, but if you can't even find 2E to try on it doesn't really matter. 1/2 size doesn't equate to much length. so if you did go up 1/2 size you are not adding a 1/2 or 1 inch in length. it is closer to 3/16 of an inch.

anyways, if you can't find them, you can't find them. try finding the Stems or some Terra Plana Vivobarefoot. Perhaps you will have better luck with those.

Just saw a review of the MT1010 om irunfar and again no 4E width. Guess I'll have to start trying some 2E's. Better than nothing I guess.

Week 14 in training for the San Francisco Marathon 2012 - AND THE NEW BALANCE MINIMUS are rocking my training - Check out a road cyclist training for his first marathon - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M3d6ofmTdE0

Just bought my first pair yesterday, and did 6 in them today. They rock!!! They fit like a slipper/glove. So comfortable. They do make you work different muscles, but i slipped on a pair of new balance 1080's to walk around in immediately after, and it felt like a had 10 ft. risers in my heels.
These shoes are what's up. I can't wait for the 00's to come out!

I have MT10s, MR10s and 993s. The minimus shoes I have to wear 14s. The 993s are 13s, but could use just a smidge more width in the toes. Still, they are the only ones that I've been able to go long distances in without huge blisters.

The MT10s worked well up until about 6 mile runs. Two qualifications: they already had 175 miles on them by the time I built up to going that far and I was at 300 pounds when I started on them and still at 280 by the time I got to the blisters. However, they are still the most comfortable shoes I own and my go-tos when my feet are too beat to wear anything else. I've run up mountain trails with big rocks, gravel, and small boulders and love the way they handle the traction.

I've not taken the MR10s out more than a couple miles so far. I have a half marathon in a couple weeks so I'm sticking with the 993s through that. Then I want to see if the road shoes will be a little more forgiving for moderate distances.

I can hardly wait for March to try out the new versions.

Oh, and I had lots of knee problems before I started in the Minimus shoes. None since. I did get shin pain for a little while as my legs adapted to the style, but not much or very long.

Please increase the height of the toe box; it is too shallow. There was too much pressure on my big toe when I tried them on.

I am looking forward to a 4E as well. I did got to a running store to get measured and that is what i need. Is NB still planning on a spring unvailing of a 4E Minimu?

I am looking forward to a 4E as well. I did got to a running store to get measured and that is what i need. Is NB still planning on a spring unvailing of a 4E Minimus?

Will the Minimus Cross-Trainer be updated to have a zero drop, or are just the road and trail shoes being developed?

Please NO Toe Spring!!! and no banana sole shape!!!
After 2 years of perfect impact free barefoot running on pavement I can now say these factors in a shoe are PARAMOUNT below:
#1 Flexibility
#2 Totally Flat shoe– Toes ON-THE-GROUND (allow toes to leverage, engage, grab and brace the arch. Toe Spring prevents this natural function!!! Mechanical dorsiflection prevents toe engagement, not to mention tires out the feet as they have to fight the toe spring to engage with every step. MT10's are abysmal in this regard. I understand you need to design some toe spring for people who have no idea what natural dorsiflection means, but you need to consider the purists who's feet work properly.
#3 Light and even distribution of weight in the shoe. I've noticed if a shoe isn't balanced it throws off my natural balance in the foot, especially when totally relaxed (not sprinting) Merrell's trail glove is extremely heavy in front for example and drops the toes in an odd way.
#4 Straight axis, NO banana shape in the sole!! Feet are straight!! I'm still seeing the boomerang design left over from the dark ages of shoe bondage. What is this all about?? Take a hint from "5 fingers" at a minimum for shape.
#5 Breathability, when feet are in shape they sweat profusely... then slide around inside the shoe. Obvious point there, but since my feet have become very strong, my circulation is almost out of hand, I can almost not tolerate anything but a sandal even in winter.
#6 There has to be an even tread across the ENTIRE sole, when you have holes, the foam pushes through and those areas become unsupported, and make for uneven ground feel. Granted traction is better, I'd rather have the support.

Under point 8 it mentions that in the spring on 2012 there will be an ****** to move the stack height from 12mm to 8mm. I know that the Zero's are set to launch during spring, so does that mean when they get released they will have an 8mm stack as opposed to a 12mm stack? I really hope they get this height reduction!!

Under point 8 it mentions that in the spring of 2012 there will be an ****** to move the stack height from 12mm to 8mm. I know that the Zero's are set to launch during spring, so does that mean when they get released they will have an 8mm stack as opposed to a 12mm stack? I really hope they get this height reduction!!

@freedomfeet

I am with you about the toe spring, it is very natural and really serves no purpose. I have heard that it doesnt matter having a toe spring as long as the sole of the shoe is flexible. But if that is the case then why bother having a toe spring at all. I wonder if you can even really call a shoe with a toe spring zero drop?

Is it possible to order direct from the USA? I live in the UK and NB are only selling narrow fit Ds in Britain.

Just put 36km on my Zero road, honestly the greatest shoe I've ever run in...just hoping it holds up to the mileage. I do agree that maybe a 4E would be a great option... I do feel that the heel cuff at the back is a little too high, maybe a lower cut as it does rub on my Achilles causing skin irritation when sockless, not enough to irritate my tendon, but enough to tender the skin. Absolutely my number one shoe right now and can't wait for the marathon in 3 weeks time

Ok so where can I buy the Zero drop shoe?

Does the Zero still have the toe box curving upward? I love the 10 but due to an injury many years ago the curve toe box makes me buy a full size bigger then I would normally wear to accommodate that curve (which I'm not a big fan of and think this could be improved with a naturally flat toe box)

Thanks to the NB Minimus folks for providing me MR00s and MT00s to wear out and write about; the pros, the cons and neutral observations. Expect impartial, honest commentary on this innovative line. After wearing out MT10s and 4 pairs of MR00s in the past year, excited to comment on this innovative new line. See blogging and photos of the shoes @ www.runningpundit.com

Hello NB,

I was informed 2E width Minimus are made with the same sole platform as the D width, meaning there is no gain in the width of the sole, only difference is more material/girth to the upper?

Is this true? I would appreciate if someone from NB would comment on this regarding Minimus Zero line and the MT10/20.

concrete was meant to meet good cushion. in cross country terrain--natural land without concrete can handle vibram but not concrete

I've put nearly 50 miles on the MT00 now, and can safely say they are amazing. The upper is even more minimal then Five Fingers. It's very comfortable without socks, and the tread has been improved when compared to the MT10. Since some of the tread has been removed (exposing the midsole and even the upper material) the Vibram disks can grip deeper. It was also brilliant to connect many of the disks in the mid-foot, forefoot, and heel. This adds protection in those sensitive areas without losing flexibility. However that doesn't mean you won't get bit by a rock every once in a while, but that's part of trail running, and if you don't like it, maybe you had better stay on the road. The upper from the vamp to the counter is a completely smooth lamination of fabric. There are no seams or thick overlays to get in the way (Five Fingers you can now be jealous). There's plenty of toe room in the forefoot. The upper dries very quickly, and is not very absorbent. The only thing that takes some time to dry is the sewn in insole. The longest run I did in them was 13 miles on the trail. The longest on the road was 5 miles. The shoe is very firm on the road. Even though there is a corked out midsole, it doesn't do much for cushioning. It really acts better as protection from stuff on the trail. And that's exactly as it should be. The shoe is amazing, and even more so at night when feeling the trail is imperative so you don't destroy yourself. The shoe did great contouring (one of the biggest tests for me is to make sure there's enough support so one doesn't step off the insole, and the MT00 passed with flying colors). Also working with support of the upper was the bathtub design of the midsole. It keeps the foot from sliding off side to side. I can't express enough how flexible this shoe is. You can literally role it up and stick it in a coat pocket. The heel counter height is also perfect. I have no idea why shoe companies think they have to make a counter that rides up the Achilles tendon. For those of you who have run on the MT110; this shoe is a great compliment to it. Paired together they can be a perfect combination for a runner who wants to improve their performance, and take it to the next level. Thank you New Balance for listening to Anton K, and the Skagg brothers.

Today is the first day I start training for my Ironman. 5 months to my half and 5 more months till my full. I have been running trails in the MT10 for 7 months now and love them! I haven't run much road yet but am looking for a minimalist shoe for my road training. Would you suggest the MR00 or the MR10?

Hi Ironwoman27, I have both the MR10 and the MR00, and with out a doubt the MR00 is the best shoe I've ever used. I've done 2x70.3 and attempting my first full in 3months. I did have to get the MR00 one size up from my MR10 pair. Enjoy the training...

How does the MR00 compare to the Hattorri?

Maureen,

I've always been a big NB fan, and am very glad you guys have continued to listen to valuable customer feedback.

This is especially important to me as I am a TRUE 4E (metatarsals measure 130 mm for a size 9 foot).

I have been a nakedfoot (have to say naked because 'barefoot' is marketing speak for minimal these days) in no small part because of how difficult it is to find shoes that would fit. However, I have been venturing on longer trail runs and feel limited by going totally bare here in Colorado.

To that end I have compromised and tried to build home-brewed moccasins and the like, but nothing that compares with the durability of my old NB trail shoes from my shod running days.

The feedback I would like to give, and embedded in it is a query I hope you have a response for, is to make it not only a true 4E for us genetically modified, but to make sure it has room across the top of the ball as well.

I tried the NB Minimus 10 in a 2E, and it actually may have worked except that the band across the top was much too tight. If anything can be done this late in the game I would value it highly.

As an avid outdoors athlete (ex-professional skier and climber), I have had problems with my feet my whole life. I am very grateful that NB is working to accomodate people like me!

Still waiting on the normal Minimus to be available in wide sizes. There was a comment section on the old minimus shoes where wide sizes would be available at the beginning of this year in the old collection.

I agree with one of the above posts that said, until you have 4e width the rest is just white noise. I've been buying new balance my whole life, but I'm not going to buy shoes that don't fit. The first company that produces a true 4e width minimal shoe will have my business.

I ran NB MINIMUS TRAIL without socks. It was great run until we arrive at a river trail. The sands and peebles poured inside the shoes which made it annoying to run with. Is this really normal? My running mate was wearing Merrel Glove Trail without socks, he too had sands and peebles inside his shoes. I guess it's normal. We ended up always cleaning up our shoes during the run.

The NB Minimus Zero is wonderful; however, up here in the pacific northwest it rains quite a bit. An outer layer of goretex would allow the Minimus zero to still be light weight and it would nicer to wear when the weather isn't.